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Post by enuf3 on Nov 14, 2006 9:51:49 GMT 10
Nat, I dont think Signs was trying to force you into believing that everything happens for a reason. The ending made it so that you decide on which group you fit in. Was Bo's disease given to her for a reason.. or was it just coincidence? Same with Morgan. Did he have asthma strictly to prevent the poison from getting in, or was it again coincidence. They asked you if you think everything happens for a reason, or if life is built on coincidences.
Plus, I believe we all have many many destinies. Not just one. So what I think the movie was pointing out (if you believe that everything happens for a reason) was that the choices you make, and the actions you take lead you to one destiny or another. Each future is planned for whichever choice you make.
Take for example Merril. He could have either attacked the alien with the baseball bat, or he could have figured out another way. Now, we know he chose the bat.. but what if he decided to sit there not moving.. just watching. That would open up another life path leading to a different, possibly similar, destiny or future. I dont think the movie was telling you that everything is going to happen one way. Everything could be pre written, but its you who decide on which story line you'll take. Kind of like those story books that give you the option to do one thing or another to progress in the story.. you pick one and it sticks you to another point in the book..the other, leads you somewhere else. So in a way, you are deciding your own future.
Okay, enough of that lol.
Ghosts.. yes ghosts. There is no need to cleanse your house of them Shallow. If they're there.. they're there. You could possibly rid the evil ones away through positive energy.. but truthfully, I dont believe that Holy Water and chanting lines from the Bible will do you much. And for the most part, there really is no reason to fear them. Most of the time they appear to be just as scared as you are of them. Maybe they think we're ghosts. We can never tell until one of them tells us.. or until.. well, until we die.
Also, you can try to convince the ghost to move on and leave. But that could be difficult with a mean or unsure spirit. See, I have had many psycics and other people come into my house and tell me there was something very large and unreadable in my room.. right in the corner beside my window. My mom's boyfriend claims that it is so strange and different from what he has ever seen before. (He supposedly can see spirits and try to talk to them.. He is a pagan so he is really into spirits and nature and all that.) He also refuses to try and talk with it. He says its strong and does not welcome him towards it.
A psycic lady told me almost the same thing. It's there, it wont move until I try and get rid of it, and its powerfull. But she also refused to try and read it, or talk with it. And then! Neil's (my moms bf) mother comes over Saturday night and uses my room for sleeping. Ive been at my friends for the past few nights. When I came home a few hours ago, I found weird leaves and spices.. some sage.. and other stuff along my window sill and in the corner of my room. And she was never told a thing about the spirit in my room. Very strange stuff.
But I honestly feel no hostility towards it.. If anything, I feel alot more safer and calm when I am in my room. I lose those feelings when other people come in though.. which is odd. So I see no reason in trying to make it leave. It hasnt hurt me in any way. But apparently, no one really wants to ever go in my room. My sister says there is something very very creepy about my room and she feels uncomfortable when she goes in it.. or near it. But I dont know...
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Post by natalia on Nov 14, 2006 13:21:15 GMT 10
Maybe I'll have to watch the movie again, looking at it that way. Maybe I will enjoy it a lot more if I think about it like that.
I believe the same thing you do, holy water and the Bible may just tick off the spirit. If they are not of the same faith you are, how will it hurt them or effect them in any way? If someone came up to me in my home and was forcing their religion at me, I'd probably smack 'em. Sometimes the ghosts don't know they are dead, and that is usually when the trouble starts. The see you as an intruder, and do what they can to force you out.. Then, and only if they are harming you, is there a reason to try and help them leave.
Well if I could try, and I wa sbetter at it, I'd try to communicate with it for you. I've got this.. weird way of looking at the world most of the time. It may be strong, but if you listen to what they have to say, and respect it.. Maybe it just does not like him because he is pagan, and the psychics, because the church is rather against speaking to the dead. Maybe she knew about it.. But I do love the smell of sage, and the plant in general. Sage tea is bloody awesome.
It may feel like it is there to protect you, and others seem to threaten its connection with you. Maybe there is something in their thoughts, or feelings towards you that it reads, that makes it slightly hostile, which is why you lose those feelings. If something begins to creep me out, I growl and expand my energy to what I believe is more my.. "true" form. But that is far too complicated to even try to explain, and I don't even fully understand it. I don't think it is anything bad that is there.. It porbably is just very, very protective of you.
no idea what it may be though, but from the little you have said, I think it may be attached to you in some way, though it might not be mobile, which is why it does not follow you to your friends house, or other places. But that is just my reading of it from what you have said, and the feeling I get about it... Have YOU ever tried to talk to it? If it is that strong a presence, it may be able to answer you if you talk to it. If you do not feel quite safe with doing something like holding a pen in your hand over paper, and clearing your mind, relaxing, then focusing on a single question.. Try asking yes or no questions, using a light source like a candle flame, pick something like staying still for no, or flicking a lot for yes. But first, you need to watch the candle flame to see how it moves within your room. You could also try meditation if you feel comfortable like that, same sort of way people talk to their guardian spirits. Takes practice, but it could work.
But I really do belive, more strongly as I type this that it means no real harm to you, it might just want to remain unreadable to the others. Shyness could be a factor. But if it feels comfortable around you, you may be able to make a new friend :3 just don't push for answers and all if you try to strike up a conversation..
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Post by enuf3 on Nov 14, 2006 14:46:42 GMT 10
I dont know.. I dont see the point in trying to understand it. It's there.. it makes me feel welcomed in my room.. where as I cannot stand the rest of the house. I know lately I have been breaking out into many fights with my mom and her boy friend cause I dont live by their book.
(They think I should dress more preppy.. and not use the computer as much.. even though part of my life is the computer.. ex: editing movies, talking to friends and cousins who left for college in other parts of the country, writing script.. all that crap.)
Anyway, the last fight I had ended up in my room.. where I seemed to have won the arguement. My mom's bf ended up leaving.. my mom started crying and walked out (no not really good, but did end the arguement) And so when they walked out I packed some stuff and stayed at my friends house for a while. The fam ended up missing me and asked me to come home. I just thought it was weird how I won on my own ground.
This is also strange in a way because in one of my previous homes.. I had some serious hauntings going on.. but it was exactly the opposite. I didnt want to be in my room.. I hated it. There was something very wrong and dark about it. I constantly ended up sleeping on the couch in the living room. Also, I occasionally have something called sleep paralysiss.. when my body freezes up during the night.. Well in that house, during a SP attack, (I always hear a rumble and sometimes voices and footsteps during it) I saw at the foot of my bed, a small child smiling. Ive seen him three or four times in that house.
And when my sister told me she saw him in the hall way.. I knew it just wasnt my imagination. But it wasnt he that scared me. It was something that always lingered by him.. some kind of misty thing.. it was really dark in color. If I was positioned right, I could see it crawling in from under the door crack. But yeah.. the house was truely negative. So many bad things happened there. My parents divorced, I almost dropped out of school due to terrible attacks of depression and lack of motivation in the world.. I would spend hours on the floor crying and punching the wall... just over nothing. I always got sick, my sister was slapped by my father.. (or almost), I comfronted my dad which ended in a brawl and him calling the police on me.. it was all just bad.
I moved into my grandmas.. had no real problems there.. just the typical crap. I always knew my grandmas house was haunted. The whole family knew. And when I had my SP, I would hear two or three people talking somewhere in the dark room... or hear them walking around. Btw, never saw the boy again after leaving the bad house. His last appearence was when I visited my dad at Christmas eve.. both my sister and I saw him in a shadow right near her room. He kind of looked at us and then faded into the.. dark shadow lol. Neither of us spoke about until the next morning.
But now, in my current house, its just so different. It seems like things are being pulled back together.. sort of. I really dont like the house outside of my room lol. But the family seems to be doing good. And I havent had SP in a long time.. the last time I did I only heard a slight banging somewhere in the house. Not sure what it was. I dont know.. its very weird. And to make it stranger, in the "corner" I have a picture of Jesus, that I took from the bad house. (The picture was left behind in the bad house when we first moved in.. as was a bunch of silver crosses. Also, in my closet, there were crayon drawings of crosses up and down the walls. (the kid there before me was mentally challenged and he always drew on walls and stuff)).
So I dont know, its all very weird and complicated. I'm just not sure if I want to try and communicate with the thing in my room. I also cant help but to wonder if it was part of the weird experience in the bad house. (during a SP attack I heard something whisper in my ear "Heal your mind") And soon after we moved out. Its all so confusing...
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Post by natalia on Nov 15, 2006 3:44:52 GMT 10
Eek, SP is not fun at all from what I understand.. And thats whay negative energies do, they like to feed off of negativity, and they also like to make what they see as an "intruder" suffer. They sometimes know they are dead, but to them the property is still theirs.
From what I understand, the children who are around as ghosts, are usually not bad at all. Usually it is someone else who is there with them that causes the problems.
If it makes you feel better, and it is comforting to you, it might just be someone or something that wants to look out for you. Not too sure if it is related to the old house. It could have been the kid who told you to heal your mind. Maybe he didn't want you trapped there as well with whatever the evil problem causing entity was. It could be something that has always been in the house.. Maybe it is attached to the picture you took from the old house now, but maybe before it was centered around the closet area. But it is good you got out of that other house. I don't know how long I would last around something that is threatening. Ugh.. I am so confrontational, with animals, people, objects (I talk to them, tell them to 'stay' and the like, if they fall, I curse at them a bunch), the spirit at my friends house.. The only spirits I've been around have never really upset me too much, or done a lot to me. Only one has ever really made me feel it is a threat, and that is the one at my friends house *shudder* I do not like that one at all, not at all! All the other spirts and such are usually positive ones. Most often they are animal ones, not usualy human. which is fine by me, I get along better with most animals than people
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Post by enuf3 on Nov 15, 2006 6:46:54 GMT 10
I never really came across an animal spirit. Only once.. a dog. My aunt's dog had died a few weeks earlier and when I slept over the house I could swear I saw the dog coming down the hallway. I could hear her chain or collar rattling as well. But that's the only animal experience that I ever had.
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Post by natalia on Nov 15, 2006 14:38:16 GMT 10
I often see my doggie walking around the house.. I still expect him to be there.. at the door when I get home sometimes.. I have seen him a few times too.. but I know he is still around.. but damn I miss him.. my poor doggie.. I still blame myself for his pain.. even though I shouldn't, but I need to get over that.. Sigh..
The other one was at my aunt and uncles appartment. The lady who had it sometime before they did had cats.. and I saw one of them walking around the house, a white one. Just walkin' down the hall, with that typical "I own this place damn you" cat behaviour
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Post by enuf3 on Nov 15, 2006 20:07:18 GMT 10
Very cool. Sadly, I mostly see people. Oh, and today.. I found out that the junk i found in my room.. wasnt from My mom's bf's mom. It was him! (Neil) He said his mom taught him a way to rid the spirit. So that night I told you about it.. I knew something was up. Ive been here for two nights since moving back in.. and each night I have had a bloody nose, I have seen weird shadows moving about my room, and I'm finding it harder to fall asleep. I have no idea what he did wrong..
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Post by natalia on Nov 16, 2006 10:58:27 GMT 10
He probably made it mad for trying to force it to leave... People do that, things they don't understand, they try to force to submit, stupid racial trait humans have. Try sitting in your room, and even if you feel stupid, tell it thatyou don't want it to leave, and appologize for what happened. If the sage did not work, it just makes it seem that much less evil.. and 'dark'. So maybe he hurt its feelings. I know I'd be grumpy too if someone thought I was evil and was trying to force me to leave.. Oh, and say it outloud, even if it is quiet. And tell Neil to stop messing with it as it was not, and is still not, doing anything to harm anyone. As for the nose bleeds, it may or may not be related.. is your room really dry lately?air-wise I mean. Some people get bad nose bleeds when the air is very dry..
But yes, appologize, or see if you can get Neil to as well.
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Post by enuf3 on Nov 16, 2006 11:19:37 GMT 10
Nah. My room is the same as always. And they werent even normal little nose bleeds. Lets just say my nose served as a freakin faucet... it just kept running like non stop. Took me almost ten minutes to stop it. Never had any nose bleed that severe.. well with the exception of the time I got punched in the nose lol.
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Post by natalia on Nov 16, 2006 11:23:31 GMT 10
Yikes. Then maybe appologize to it. I think maybe its feelings may have been hurt a little But hopefully that does not happen again then. Wow. unless you have started to sleep walk, and walk into walls and doors, nose first.
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Post by enuf3 on Nov 16, 2006 11:29:20 GMT 10
The nose bleeds werent while I slept. They were when I was either sitting at the computer, or lying on my bed watching tv. And plus, I have never slept walk before in my life.
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Post by natalia on Nov 17, 2006 2:29:32 GMT 10
ah, missunderstood, sorry. If they keep up, even while you are not at home, it could be something else.
I haven't either. I wonder what it would be like to wake up somewhere other than where you went to sleep. Probably fairly creepy
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Post by enuf3 on Nov 17, 2006 5:36:54 GMT 10
It is creepy. Ive fallen asleep in my house before, and awakened in my grandmas. The wake up feeling is so strange.
Anyway, didnt have a nose bleed last night. Did wake up with a f**ked up eye.. but no nose bleed.
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Post by natalia on Nov 17, 2006 9:48:46 GMT 10
Well, amke sure you are not whacking yourself as you sleep..I don't sleep walk, and I wake up with bruises or scratches.. Or something feelinglike it is is missing. It all depends on how you sleep
Is your eye alright though?? I hate when things go wrong with my eyes.. I have this issue that happens sometimes where my vision goes all wonky, and my eyes have headaches..it sucks. So hopefully your eye is alright
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Post by enuf3 on Nov 17, 2006 10:38:01 GMT 10
Well, like I said.. the nosebleeds do not happen while I sleep. and the eye thing is weird. It may have been because of my new pillow cases.. but the past two days when I wake up, my eye is fine for about 3 minutes and the it suddenly gets all red and puffy.. and gooy.. almost like pink eye. It hurts really bad too. And it leaks like you wouldnt believe. But it goes away after about ten minutes. Its the weirdest thing.
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